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Christ felt separation from God

What Christ felt on the cross we feel as well.

Not to the fullest extent but it is of the same nature.  The nature of the Wrath of God.

  1. 010-adam-eve-fallAdam and Eve felt it when they sinned.  They went from perfect holy loving fellowship with God and one another to feeling painful separation, shame and nakedness for the first time.  Standing there feeling Naked and exposed like a prostitute caught in the action they try to cover their shame and sin by the works of their own hands, yes Adam needing a covering but it had to be a covering provided but the death of a substitute.  Look an animal that did nothing wrong is going to die in your place.  Yes you are feeling some separation but the rest of the full wrath of God will be poured out on the coming messiah your substitute.  In the day that you eat of the fruit you and or your surety will die.  Love is stronger than sin and death.  Unquenchable Love for the honor of God and love to sinners he took upon himself the full wrath of God to prove His love to His enemies.  Nothing and no-one could stop Him from loving His enemies.  It has power for resurrection within Itself.  Life.
  2. 005-moses-pharaohIsrael knew what a life of slavery, misery, working for someone else and getting nowhere, life was meaningless and painful apart from a covenant relationship with God and Israel knew it.
  3. 013-moses-food-waterIsrael wondered about it?  They thought God left them in Ex. 17  God’s promise of help seemed to not be coming true.  They thought he had left them.  God was always there, He was only testing them.  They thought God had left.  Ex. 17:7  They needed to live by faith and not by sight, when it seemed like the promises weren’t coming true.
  4. David din’t want God to take His Spirit away, God taking His Spirit away is the same as Him pouring out His Wrath.
  5. This was the suffering of the psalmist in ps. 22
  6. This is similar to a nightmare that you don’t want to happen
  7. Groom-leaving-bride_eppc7lYou don’t want to feel as if you are separated from the one you love.  Song 3:1-4 and Song 5   Our sins separate us from the ones/One we love and our hearts prayers and desires won’t come true.   Is 59:2  “But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God,  And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear.”  Being separated from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus is painful.  Love desires the strictest union with the object of its affection.  Any degree of separation is painfully felt.  Especially when felt for long periods of time.
  8. Christ felt it on the cross.  Joyful fellowship and communion with the Father was broken when Christ bore our sins upon Himself thus feeling the full wrath of God on our behalf.
  9. spanking-kidsjpg-e8ceb7b4d2b86d0e_largeIt pains him also to be apart from you, he experiences a type of death, a separation from the one He loves when they sin.  His love to them was not reciprocated. Communion in Love only happens when love is shown and then love is returned.  A mutual delight in one another love is needed in order for love to be complete.  It must not only be received in the mind or understood in the heart but also loved and delighted in in order for holy communion with God through Christ.
  10. We feel the disciplining hand of God when we deliberately continue in sin. Hebrews 12
  11. 12992524_sWe feel separation from the love and grace of God in Christ.  Christ felt separation from God fully for all our sins.  Of all the wrath God for full satisfaction for sin was poured out and Christ.  He drank the full cup of wrath and said it was finished.   He paid for their sins,  He felt the wrath of God on their behalf but they still feel something of His wrath or hatred for sin when they are disciplined and we still feel some separation from God, either physical or spiritual suffering is filling up what was lacking in Christ’s afflictions.  Both physical and spiritual affliction.  Separation from the Love and Grace of God in Christ Jesus.  Even discipline is His love coming at us in a different way.  In the mind of God, in all Eternity past God looked upon Christ and poured out His Wrath,  we were in Christ before the foundation of the World in the the mind of God.  So God poured out His full wrath upon Christ and the church.  The church fills up what was lacking,  what was lacking in His feeling all of the wrath of God for us is that some would still have to come our way yet only in the form of discipline and love but not hatred to you.  Separation from God is an affliction it was Christ’s affliction.
  12. 37323217_sThis separation is felt a little different as you get more mature.  It pains you more when He leaves and the joy of your salvation is gone.   Yes the Joy of the Lord is your strength so of course you think He is gone your losing strength to fight sin and the light is gone from your eyes.  You took your eyes off the love of Christ and labored in vain in another vineyard.  Separation is felt when sin is continued.  When it be Satan, Adam and Eve, the Israelites, A married couple in sin, A Leader to His people, a pastor to his church when either parties involved in that relationship or union sin then separation is from the Love and Grace of God will be felt by the way of pain, suffering to some degree, misery, feeling like all is meaningless, hopeless and dissatisfaction.
  13. Feeling separation.  Feeling like your outside holding communion with God in faith, love and hope.
    Psalm 22:1  “My God, my God, why have You forsaken me? Far from my deliverance are the words of my groaning.”
  14. Christ felt the hatred and wrath so we could experience the amazing Love and Grace of God in Christ.  We as believers feel separation from the Special Love and Grace  of God in Christ, felt when abiding in Christ yet not felt there when continuing in deliberate sin.  Not holding communion in love. Either you neglect to cultivate a growing love relationship with God or you cultivate it.  If neglecting then you are cultivation for another.  The soul has but one husband either angry hateful Satan who binds us in sin to misery, hopelessness, pain, tears and a meaningless life laboring for him.  or joyfully united to your Husband Christ in Love, Grace and true holiness.  The soul can only have one master!  Christ is the one his servants serve, He is their Master, sin shall not have its reign in the heart of a believer when Christ is reigning there.  Look forward to the perfect complete reign of Christ in your heart!!  And fear separation from His love for then you delight is not in Him but in another and this displeases the One who Loves us.  Jesus He loves us!!

Uses of such feelings

  1.  May our love for the lost grow.  If we hate the feeling of separation from God so much then the lost will hate it all the more because they will feel exact Justice and Wrath in outer darkness.  Do we love the lost.   They will feel separation from God forever.  Pray and witness to the lost.
  2. May we be all the more diligent to keep ourselves in the Love of God in Christ Jesus. The dove eyes are faithful.  They stay only on their lover.  They have only one partner, one husband and their eyes are on His Love.  Asking to see it.  Asking to experience it over and over.  May we see His love for us in feeling the full wrath of God for us.  Jesus Christ averted the Wrath of God.  It is supposed to come our way, But Christ demonstrates His love to us in that while we were still undeserving sinner Jesus Christ averted God’s wrath and it fell upon Him when our sins were imputed to His account on the cross.  For the 3 hours of Darkness Christ’s felt delight in God was gone and only pain and death was felt, but death could not stop His love so three days later He rose again in order to beautify His bride with Love, Holiness and Truth.
  3. Know that all sin leads to death.  Satan may say “don’t worry it is a little sin, its not that bad”  enjoy it now.   You see here.  Satan trips us up by making us think fulfilling your sinful desire is a little thing and nothing to worry about.  Yes it is something to worry about because it offends so great a God and it ends in Eternal torment.  These truths must be drilled into your head so that when the temptation comes you will have the truth ready to believe and joyfully obey for the joy set before us!!
  4. Praise Jesus Christ for feeling the full wrath of God.  He carried the most infinitely worse brunt end of the deal.  Praise the Father for Sending Him to feel separation.  Praise the Father for having the Love to send Christ.  He was willing to break fellowship in order to demonstrate His love to everyone.
  5. Admire the Love of Christ in the garden.  God showed Christ the cup of wrath He was to drink the day before He drank it.  Christ wanted salvation for the lost and prayed for some other way to save them other than drinking the full wrath of God.  There was no other way.  Christ prayed again and was strengthened by an angel and then prayed again resolved to do God’s will and not his own.  What wondrous love is here!!  Behold Christ willingly chose to feel full separation from His Beloved Father in whom He was in perfect communion with God the Father in Love from all Eternity past.  Here was the test of Christ’s will.  He did it for the joy set before Him.  And also I believe Him seeing the cup of Wrath fired the love of Christ up even more because now He really knew what God was going to do to them if He didn’t die for them.  They would be separated from the Love of God forever.  So out of Love Christ felt that separation for them.  What matchless love is this!!
  6. The excellency of the love of Christ is Beautiful!  This love is the Holy Spirit.  Holiness consists in Love to God.  Christ paid the price out of Love and honor to God.  Ask God to show you love the Christ over and over again.  More and more.  And when more is coming ask for more this will honor Christ.  He has so much love to give.  Do not put bounds on your experiences of the Love of Christ.  His love is boundless and so should your desire to experience it be boundless as well.  Ask and you shall receive, seek and you will find, know and the door will be opened to you.  Keep asking, seeking and knocking!

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Saved in 2000 at age 27. Nearly immediately I fell in love with the Song and grew very fast the first two years memorizing large portions of scripture purifying my mind the started chewing on meat to soon and struggled for 12 years and Christ has me on track like always but I just took the long way around and now I love leading others closer to Christ by seeing His love reflected in Solomons love for an enemy slave girl.

I have experienced God's love to me in the Song in ways that words can't express. There are many portion of the Word where she experiences extra ordinary outpouring of the Holy Spirit of God. If you have a burning desire for a close intimate relationship with God by experiencing His Love to you over and over again at greater and greater heights, depths, lengths and breaths then The Song of Songs is where you need to be.

I can help you with this process of Growing in the experience of God's love. As of 7-23-16 I have experienced everything prior to chapter 8. The Song of Song is progressive in experience. Meaning that if you are mature then you can experience the joys and extraordinary outpourings of God's Love shed abroad in your heart.

If you are not so mature then the delights in the first chapter of the Song will satisfy your thirst for experiencing the Love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Many Christian are living in sin because they do not know how to experience God's love and get hooked on Loving Him. It feels good to be loved and to love Him. His burden is not heavy and His yoke is light, Jesus said in Matt. 10:28

I believe God wants to use me to help beautify His Bride through the Song of Solomon.

If you see the book literally you will not understand nor grasp the Love God has for you. If you see the book and the verses in it relating to Christ's love to you then I would love to show you how to experience this Love to the fullest. I will pray for you daily and guide you every step of the way.

16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.

20 Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, 21 to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.

I grew up going to church but was a hypocrite. I lived my life how I chose but went to church on Sunday because my family went.

Mom and Dad divorced when I was about 5.

About this time I was sexually abused by "Bob" a made up name. This incident changed my life for the worst. I had no clue how to deal with it.

As I got older I grew in my hatred for Bob. I didn't blame anyone of my family because I was to young to know any better. Some of what happened during the abuse was in a bathroom. So overtime I would use the bathroom and look at my private parts that night would replay in my mind. My hatred for Bob would continue to grow each time.

Now I know this only happened to me one night. I can't image the pain other's go through who have had this happen to them over and over. Even as I write this now I cry with many tears for those hurting. God love you even though you may not know it or feel it. Go to Him in your time of need.

I was a really bad teenager. I only cared about myself and not even my family. I always came first in my mind. Even at the expense of hurting others. I was growing in my hatred for God by now.

I was going to church and was learned that God was in control. I thought well, if God was in control then He must have let me be sexually abused. I didn't understand this, How could a good and loving God allow this. I hated Him for it. My hatred for Bob grew as well. I was still using the bathroom and memories kept coming back. My heart grew even harder for Bob and God. As far as I was concerned God would have nothing to do with my life so I lived even worse. I thought I would be in jail or dead and I really didn't care, I thought it could be much worse than reliving your painful past over and over again. Little did I know that God's plan later would be to use these events to give me a burning passion for the closest most intimate love relationship with Himself through Christ mainly through the love poem in the Song of Songs in the Bible.

I remember hating Bob so much that the only thing that would relieve my pain was actually thinking he would suffer forever for what he did. I grew so much in my hatred for him that I had to continue to think that he would get even worse than what I imaged before. After some time I would only be relieved of hatred for him unless I thought he would burn in a hotter and hotter hell for all the suffering he put me through.

I never told my mom or family what happened, although I think some of them knew something had happened.

I grew up quite rebellious and even went to jail at the age of 20. I was living the fast life pursuing all my sinful desires and wanting more. It never seemed to be enough. I was quite happy in my sin but I just wanted more of it.

I lived life thinking I would die at a young age, riding motorcycle and living on the edge put me in the hospital many times and I should have been dead.

California at age 26.

I moved to California for a job opportunity at the age of 27. While trying to figure out what radio stations to program in my car, I ran across a RC Sproul talking about "people who have the faith that saves and people who only say that have faith" only the people who have the faith that saves will go to heaven. I thought "I don't think I have the faith that saves because my life was so bad." I searched the scriptures to try to get this faith. I found a church and thought people there could help me get this faith that saves. All along God kept showing me how sinful I was and that I deserved punishment from Him for living my life hating Him.

One weekend I read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John desperately trying to find out how to get this faith that saves. By now I knew that if you had the faith that saves that Jesus would be saving you from a life of sin. I still liked my sin and Jesus sure wasn't saving me from a life of sin, so I rightly concluded that I didn't have the faith that saves.

By the time I got to John, I saw "believe" everywhere. John 3:16 and other verses and wow the whole book was written so that you may believe. John 20:31 "these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name." So at night I would pray "I believe Jesus died for me, I believe, I believe. This was just an intellectual belief. I knew that in history and the Bible that Jesus died for everyone, so I believed it. But this belief did not change my life.

I would go on night after night saying the same prayer only to wake up the next day wanting to fulfill my sinful desires. The prayer wasn't working so I started to word it different each time hoping some prayer would work. After about 2 weeks of this I was fed up with it all, nothing was happening. I still was living in my sin and wanted more of it. A Christian hates their sin and does something about it, and certainly they don't continue to make plans to sin. The prayers weren't working so I gave up. I thought to myself "God, I tried with all my might, I searched the Scriptures, went to church, read the Bible and prayed all to no avail. If Im going to be saved your going to have to do it because I tried."

So I quit praying but still the Bible kept calling me so I read more. 3 Days later I was laying in a tanning bed and God convicted me really hard that I had offended Him by the life I was living. I was so scared of God, where could I run. You can't hide from God. It seemed like forever that I was under these terrors of being punished by a Holy Angry God. This lasted about 10 minutes then this is how I understood it. God let me understand that all that anger that He had for me for all my sin should come my way but He had poured that anger out on Jesus 2,000 years ago. I immediately started weeping an couldn't stop for about 20 minutes. All the sins that I could think of I confessed for that 20 minutes one after another after another, I was so sorrowful and grieved it physically hurt inside.

After I stopped crying I thought that was the weirdest thing that ever happened. I walked out of the tanning salon and stood outside and everything seemed so beautiful, the tree's, the birds, even the air seemed pleasant. Now I was really wondering what was going on.

I pondered all of this as I drove to work that day. I brought my Bible to work and was thinking what am I doing, I want to take my Bible to work so I can read it. As soon as I got to work I started reading my Bible. I couldn't believe what I was reading!! It all was so wonderful. It felt so good to just read my Bible. My client showed up and as I was training them the only thing I could think about was getting back to my Bible. I read all night and slept about 2 hours and was reading again.

I had sinful things in my apartment and I rounded everything evil up and threw it in the garbage. It was weird I was thinking but it felt good so I left it all in the garbage. I called my girlfriend to break it up and she thought I had another girl, I said no, I just think this is wrong we shouldn't be sleeping together. She didn't understand so I told her I was a Christian now and she still thought I had another girlfriend. She said "Im glad your a Christian, so am I" I thought to myself, "I have a strong conviction that sleeping together is wrong and she thought it was okay" I wondered how she could think that. Anyway we broke up.

I kept reading my bible and repenting, there was so much to repent of and I had lived a very sinful life. I was a thief for some part of my life and all the people I stole from kept coming to mind. I owed so much money. I was instantly in debt about $80,000. As I could I paid them back. As of 7-18-2016 I still owe about $25,000 but it sure is a joy to be paying them back.

The first week of being saved a car just about ran me over, they hit me but I wasn't hurt at all. The guy in the car felt so bad. I just looked at him and said "God bless you and have a great day, I am okay" smiled at him and moved on. Now I was really wondering what was going on because I normally would have cussed him out left and right and instead of cussing I blessed him. That was so weird. But again it felt good. I learned to do good by what my conscience told me was good and that it felt good. I got hooked on this feeling good by doing good and did it more often.

About two weeks after being saved I thought of Bob. I immediately prayed for him, something like "Lord help him.." then I stopped praying and said out loud "What am I doing?" I'm praying for a man that I hated my whole life, but it feels good and right, so I did it again. I stopped again midway in the prayer and started pacing around. I was trying to make sense of what was going on and couldn't figure it out. But again it made me happy to pray for him so I did. Bob would often come to mind when I went to the bathroom and each time I would pray for Him. The more I did this the less weird it got. And the greater my love grew for him.

I started memorizing large portions of scripture and this was wonderful because it felt like the words were cleaning my mind and as Proverbs 2:10 "For wisdom will enter your heart, and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul." I wanted more and more of this pleasantness. So I memorized even more and the joy got more and more.

Then this life changing advice came:

A friend from church told me to find a book of the Bible and really understand it. Read through the Bible and pick one and read it over and over and study it and really get it. So I started in Genesis and read through. When I got to Proverbs I really liked it so I thought that would be the book. I started by memorizing all of Proverbs chapter 3. After that I thought maybe there is a better book than Proverbs. So I read on. Then I came to Song of Solomon. I read it with quite some confusion. It wasn't as good as the other books, I didn't know why. So I bought a commentary on it. George Burrowes commentary on the Song of Solomon.

In the commentary I found that George and other saw the book as illustrating God's love to the Church. And not only illustrating it but displaying the Love of Christ better than any other book. This caught my attention big time, because I was having a burning desire for a closer relationship with God and desperately learning about His Love so that I could Love God. You see I had hated Him for so long that God used that old hard heart to spur me on in loving Him. I so much did not want to hate God anymore that I was on fire to learn to Love Him as much and as fast as possible. So here was a book that would help me do that. So I landed on the Song of Solomon. I committed to learning as much of this book as possible.

I memorized the first chapter and would repeat it often throughout the day. I didn't know much of what I was repeating but it sure made me happier and on fire for God. I grew so fast repeating the first chapter over and over again all day, like a dozen times a day at least. It felt so good and I never found any other book that caused me to weep so much. I would often weep everyday just reading it. I was to immature to know what was going on. Even though it hurt to weep so much, I felt like my heart was being cleansed from the filth that was in it by repeating it over and over again so I did. As I read the commentary I understood more and more. What God was doing in me through the Song was greater and faster than any other portion of Scripture so I tended to stay there often. I was so excited about God that I thought it funny that other's in church weren't the same way. Some where happy but it seemed most of them didn't seem to care much about God. They would talk about work, football the weather. The only thing I wanted to talk about was Jesus and God and how can I grow closer to Him.

About this time there was a mission trip to Ireland.

I started to have convictions that I should try to find Bob and witness to him. I kept praying for him but how could he be saved if he hadn't heard the Gospel that has power unto salvation. So I asked family if they had any information. Like me before, my family hated him and thought he deserved hell. After some time I got his name but no location or phone number. Either they didn't know where he was or didn't want to tell me. I prayed some more and then started to get stronger convictions to do something about finding Bob.

So I went on the internet and typed in "his name and child molestation sex offender court" thinking that some court record would have some info leading to where I may find him" I even talked to a private eye and he couldn't help. So I googled some key words and spent hours each day looking through each page. I believed it was God's will for me to witness to Bob. I wanted him to be saved. Really bad. So much so that I thought God would save Bob if I were to witness to him. So I didn't stop searching for him. I kept my computer on each day and went page by page. It took two years to go through about 15,000 pages but I found someone who matched his name in a prison for molesting his grandchildren. I wrote the prison and he wrote back. All kinds of emotions went through my body when I saw his letter from the jail. I didn't open it right away but two hours later God gave me enough courage to face my fears again and I opened the letter. He admitted to being the one who molested me. We wrote back and forth I told him I was angry before but now I was saved and that I loved him and believed God wanted me to talk to him. He read my letters over and over again. I shared the gospel in each one.

I got mad at Bob 2x. Once he said that he love me. I got really angry with him. He didn't love me. That night it was hard to love Bob, I had to call a friend to pray for me to repent, after he prayed I felt greater love for Bob. Then I wrote him back saying "I'm sorry but you can't say that you loved me. You did not love me you lusted after me." He admitted he didn't love as he should have and admitted that it was lust and sinful. Finally some conviction. Yet I only thought he was saying that because I was being nice to him. All his family had left him and he said I was the only "friend" he had.

Wether or not it was true Bob said that he had cancer in his arm and that the help the prison gives was not enough and if he had money he could see a different doctor and get help. I sent him some money and since I was in jail before I knew what it was like to be in there without money, so I sent him money.

About 4-5 months in the economy went down, it was 2008. Work was hard. I still sent him money and I had to work harder. This was a really good lesson for me because I had to "work hard for the benefit of someone who did not deserve it." This was one of the greatest blessing ever because I realized with great certainty that Jesus was in me. This is what Jesus did. Jesus worked his whole life for me and I didn't deserve it!! Christ was in me! This was one of the best feelings ever and it put me in worship for months.

Then a mission trip to Croatia.

Each time I had to leave my business and amazing as it is I was completely okay each time. I am a self employed personal trainer and it is normally absurd to just leave and start over, but each time I had enough work within 2 weeks of coming back. This is a flat out miracle. I trusted God to provide and he did. How many people can start up a business in 2 weeks. Only with the help of God. God was teaching me early on in my walk that as long as I did what He wanted me to do then I had nothing to worry about.

About 3 years saved now.

I Taught the 4 year old's at church Sunday morning for 10 years.

Left my business 2x for mission trips and God miraculously provided when I came back.

I taught 5 x a week plus held a job.

Sunday morning to the kids.
Sunday night with the 5th graders
Friday afternoons at Good News Clubs. Sponsored by Child Evangelism Fellowship.
Friday Nights with the Kids teaching through Pilgrims Progress, I did this 2x
Teaching Monday afternoons at a nursing home. I taught through the Song of Songs once then John, then Romans then back to the Song again! I love the Song of Songs.
I grew up hating God for what happened to me, and now I love Him because He first loved me. My passion is for children to grow up loving God and not hating Him.

My other passion which has become ever greater is to help others see the Love of Christ to His Church in the Song of Songs!!

I would love to help you, just let me know and I will lead you and pray for you.

God demonstrates His love to us in sending His one and only Son to suffer in our place, taking our sins upon Himself so that whoever believes they get to heaven because of what He did for us will not perish but have everlasting life.

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