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Thinking about Hell and Love!?

You have to be thinking about hell while in heaven.

In a literal sense, yes you must think about the hell you deserve to get into heaven for Jesus felt the hell we deserve for us so we wouldn’t have to.

Also, if want a piece of heaven on earth, to feel the love of God and love to Him and others then you must also think about death and the fire of hell to get a right idea of love which is not only known in the mind but is also felt.

Solomon’s song of songs is a love poem where two enemies became one, so close that both of their hearts looked the same. A born again Gentile slave girl falls in love with Israels Messiah at his anointing. She professes her love to him, he takes her back to his chambers where she makes peace with holy girls who grew up in holy Jerusalem. The shepherd, king of peace, Solomon, takes the young virgin on a first date that has her fainting in his arms as she thinks of his love. They get engaged, married and after sometime of married life the Queen of peace, the bride learned by experience what love is when her and her husband were heart to heart and functioning in sweet harmony like the mind and body for the two are one.

She compares loves strength to that of the power of death, both physical and spiritual death.

Love is a heightened emotion; therefore, it has ardency and fervor. The fervor of love is called Jealousy or zeal. This heightend emotion is as intense or vehement as Shoel

love is as strong as death,
[h]Jealousy is as severe as Sheol;
Its flashes are flashes of fire,
[i]The very flame of the Lord.” Solomon’s song of Songs 8:6-7

Spiritual death is the souls separation from the experience of God’s love of complacency and special grace. God’s love of complacency is the same as God’s delight in Himself. So that in the death of the soul or anyone dead in their sins there is no delight in God, no love of complacency, no delight in holiness.

This delight is the greatest and purest of delights. The non believer has no clue how good this experience is for they have never tasted it!

Instead of sensing delight in holiness or tasting the special love of God they sense God’s wrath. The unsaved will feel what it is like to have an infinitely holy God angry with them! The Jealousy of God is infinitely strong in degree. The wrath of God in Shoel toward those who have disobeyed him is severe and intense similar to the intensity of zeal a Christan has for God’s glory and the spiritual good of others. Both are intense and vehement.

Now what I would like you to take a good notice of, is the fact that in her explaining what love is, she thinks of death and hell.

When trying to let us know what love is by explanation her definition of it includes some idea of death and the fire of hell!

Most people don’t like thinking about hell because they are continuing in some pattern of sin and want to continue in it guilt and fear free, so the devil gets them not thinking about hell, the consequence of their sin so that they continue more comfortably in it. Liar. He says, don’t think about hell, it’s not good for you to think about hell… Liar. Liar. Whatever lie he tells you or you tell yourself, don’t believe it!!

An easy way of thinking about is that in order to truly know and feel the love of God towards us in what Jesus has done for us we have to think about hell. Hell is where we get the punishment we deserve for disobeying God.

The cross is where Jesus felt that punishment for us!! He suffered on our behalf, this is love. The greatest love for he died for his enemies!

The better your idea of hell and the punishment you deserved is, then the greater your joy and feeling you get knowing you were loved, and your sins forgiven is!! Read that again and again.

Now in the love poem the woman has an idea of what love is.

It is strong. How strong is it? As strong as death. It is above our human power and strength to stop either physical or spiritual death. Spiritual death consists in our having a wrong idea of God in our minds and twisted or sinful emotions that tend to depression, unhappiness and no sense of purpose. The strength of death to continue hardening the heart against God is irreversible as far as humans go. No human being by his own power can change his sinful heart and nor can a leopard change his spots. Death is a power above human nature. The power of death is similar to the power of special love from God. We can’t muster up love for it is above our nature to do so. If natural is the human relm, and supernatural is the relm God works miracles, then loves power is supernatural.

The woman learned this. She knew she was selfish and couldn’t really change it. But once a true and holy love entered her heart that was strong as death and unquenchable she knew she had a power within herself that came from God and is above her power apart from Christ.

She had experienced this power over and over again as she gave herself completely to her unmeasurably wise and loving husband. She glories in the fact and says, “I am his, and his desire is for my good.” Song 7:10

Not only did she think about death and its power, then compared it to the strength of love. But she also thought of Shoel or Hell and had a clear idea of it and then intensity of its flames and compared them to the zeal and fervor of loves holy jealousy.

Okay, I would love to explain more but all I said is a precursor to what I wanted to get at. The fact that you have to think about hell, death and the punishment we deserve for our sins to keep us humble and not abusing or taking advantage of God’s grace!!!

Humility is defined as having a right view of ourselves in relation to God with a proper heart response. The woman in the Song was humble as her love was enflamed for she says, “

Humility is defined as having a right view of ourselves in relation to God with a proper heart response. The woman in the Song was humble as her love was enflamed for she says, “Dark am I, yet lovely.

this is talking about her external appearance with implications of an inner dark evil within. Yet at the same time her heart is fit to be united to a holy Messiah due to her hearts loveliness having a love from God indwelling it. She has a right view of herself.

Included in her humble right view of herself is an idea of her darkness or remaining sin in her heart. Love, a communication of it to the heart, enlightens the mind like a holy flame. Gives it a right idea of God for God is love. In the communication or partaking of his nature we get a right idea of God, his relationship to us and a proper heart response. Heart responses. Love, joy, peace, sorrow for sin, hatred for sin, longing, increased desire and fervency of spirit etc.

I believe that as the woman is thinking about loves strength and the fervor of its jealousy she is thinking about hell which helps to keep her emotions holy and pure. Or balanced so as to properly enjoy God to the fullest!

Heaven is where we are blissfully one with Jesus. The feeling is amazing and beyond words and understanding!

The bride got to taste a piece of this heaven here on earth when her and her husband were in all intents and purposes one. Functioning sweetly as one. He loved her and she loved him. No disobedience on either part. Most marriages are literally like hell on earth where people get further from God and each other rather than closer. Nothing could separate her from the Love of God that she experienced through her union and communion with her wise loving husband, Messiah, king of peace, friend, shepherd and wooer of her heart!

The intensity of the joy of union and communion with Christ can only be felt to the degree that one knows the strength of death and intensity of the fire of hell.

Or put a more simple way. The degree of our happiness in prayer depends on how well you know the strength of death and the intensity of the fire of hell!!

Or the degree of our joy depends on how well we know God, the intense punishment we deserve for disobeying Him along with Jesus paying it for us.

If the Devil keeps telling you a lie. The lie is you believing it’s okay to sin. for the sly fox says to the weak minded soul when tempted to sin, “It’s okay to sin, God will forgive you.” True and amen, yes God will forgive you. But NOOOOOO. NOOOO NOOOOO, it is not okay!!!! this is the lie!!! If you find yourself believing it is okay for any reason whatsoever then think of hell fire think of the suffering of Jesus feeling painful separation from the experience of God’s love and He only felt God’s wrath! Unimaginable pain in the words “My God, My God why have you forsaken me.” Jesus drank the infinitely bitter cup, the punishment for our sins was upon him and then when the cup was fully felt He said, “It is finished” Aren’t you glad he didn’t leave even one sin left unpaid for!! all were paid for to the fullest!!

Fear of punishment and assurance that that punishment has been paid for are two feelings that as one rises the other falls. Fear of punishment rises with continued habits of sin. Hebrews 10:26

“if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries.”

If you go on sinning willfully, where assurance of the sacrifice of Jesus on you behalf was, there will be in your heart fear and and terrifying expectation of judgement and the fury of a fire which will consume those who continue in sin.

Notice in this text also the word “fury“. This fury describes the intensity of the fire. The fire of hell is furious. Vehement and most intense. Furious, vehement and most intense is a true and holy love in the heart of Christians towards both God and others, including enemies.

Christian who are repenting and not continuing in known sin and believe Jesus died for them will generally have assurance and no doubts that they will go to heaven when they die because Jesus’s sacrifice for sins remains in their heart along with a love that casts out fear of punishment. 1 John 4:15ff

Put it this way, the better idea of God’s glory and holiness that you get, the more you ought to repent and keep your mind on who Jesus is, what he has done and his promises for you. Or get a better idea of hell without feeling fear of it, for you have your eyes on Jesus and are repenting. Only those who continue in the same habitual unrepentant pattern of sin will go to hell.

Think of the fury of hell!! Often, especially as you sense the love of God. Dare not trust the sweetest frame as to why you believe you will get to heaven but wholly trust in who Jesus is and what he has done for you, keeping an health, pure eye on God’s holiness and wrath against sin.

I put this together for my quiet time today. This was my devotional. Not much editing, so sorry if not quite right. But after hours of meditating of Song 8:5-7 along with “Dark am I, yet lovely” I thought I would share my thoughts with you. I pray God draws you closer to Himself, more than you could ever think or imagine as you repent and have a higher view of Him and His Love for us in Christ Jesus!




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Saved in 2000 at age 27. Nearly immediately I fell in love with the Song and grew very fast the first two years memorizing large portions of scripture purifying my mind the started chewing on meat to soon and struggled for 12 years and Christ has me on track like always but I just took the long way around and now I love leading others closer to Christ by seeing His love reflected in Solomons love for an enemy slave girl.

I have experienced God's love to me in the Song in ways that words can't express. There are many portion of the Word where she experiences extra ordinary outpouring of the Holy Spirit of God. If you have a burning desire for a close intimate relationship with God by experiencing His Love to you over and over again at greater and greater heights, depths, lengths and breaths then The Song of Songs is where you need to be.

I can help you with this process of Growing in the experience of God's love. As of 7-23-16 I have experienced everything prior to chapter 8. The Song of Song is progressive in experience. Meaning that if you are mature then you can experience the joys and extraordinary outpourings of God's Love shed abroad in your heart.

If you are not so mature then the delights in the first chapter of the Song will satisfy your thirst for experiencing the Love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Many Christian are living in sin because they do not know how to experience God's love and get hooked on Loving Him. It feels good to be loved and to love Him. His burden is not heavy and His yoke is light, Jesus said in Matt. 10:28

I believe God wants to use me to help beautify His Bride through the Song of Solomon.

If you see the book literally you will not understand nor grasp the Love God has for you. If you see the book and the verses in it relating to Christ's love to you then I would love to show you how to experience this Love to the fullest. I will pray for you daily and guide you every step of the way.

16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.

20 Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, 21 to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.

I grew up going to church but was a hypocrite. I lived my life how I chose but went to church on Sunday because my family went.

Mom and Dad divorced when I was about 5.

About this time I was sexually abused by "Bob" a made up name. This incident changed my life for the worst. I had no clue how to deal with it.

As I got older I grew in my hatred for Bob. I didn't blame anyone of my family because I was to young to know any better. Some of what happened during the abuse was in a bathroom. So overtime I would use the bathroom and look at my private parts that night would replay in my mind. My hatred for Bob would continue to grow each time.

Now I know this only happened to me one night. I can't image the pain other's go through who have had this happen to them over and over. Even as I write this now I cry with many tears for those hurting. God love you even though you may not know it or feel it. Go to Him in your time of need.

I was a really bad teenager. I only cared about myself and not even my family. I always came first in my mind. Even at the expense of hurting others. I was growing in my hatred for God by now.

I was going to church and was learned that God was in control. I thought well, if God was in control then He must have let me be sexually abused. I didn't understand this, How could a good and loving God allow this. I hated Him for it. My hatred for Bob grew as well. I was still using the bathroom and memories kept coming back. My heart grew even harder for Bob and God. As far as I was concerned God would have nothing to do with my life so I lived even worse. I thought I would be in jail or dead and I really didn't care, I thought it could be much worse than reliving your painful past over and over again. Little did I know that God's plan later would be to use these events to give me a burning passion for the closest most intimate love relationship with Himself through Christ mainly through the love poem in the Song of Songs in the Bible.

I remember hating Bob so much that the only thing that would relieve my pain was actually thinking he would suffer forever for what he did. I grew so much in my hatred for him that I had to continue to think that he would get even worse than what I imaged before. After some time I would only be relieved of hatred for him unless I thought he would burn in a hotter and hotter hell for all the suffering he put me through.

I never told my mom or family what happened, although I think some of them knew something had happened.

I grew up quite rebellious and even went to jail at the age of 20. I was living the fast life pursuing all my sinful desires and wanting more. It never seemed to be enough. I was quite happy in my sin but I just wanted more of it.

I lived life thinking I would die at a young age, riding motorcycle and living on the edge put me in the hospital many times and I should have been dead.

California at age 26.

I moved to California for a job opportunity at the age of 27. While trying to figure out what radio stations to program in my car, I ran across a RC Sproul talking about "people who have the faith that saves and people who only say that have faith" only the people who have the faith that saves will go to heaven. I thought "I don't think I have the faith that saves because my life was so bad." I searched the scriptures to try to get this faith. I found a church and thought people there could help me get this faith that saves. All along God kept showing me how sinful I was and that I deserved punishment from Him for living my life hating Him.

One weekend I read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John desperately trying to find out how to get this faith that saves. By now I knew that if you had the faith that saves that Jesus would be saving you from a life of sin. I still liked my sin and Jesus sure wasn't saving me from a life of sin, so I rightly concluded that I didn't have the faith that saves.

By the time I got to John, I saw "believe" everywhere. John 3:16 and other verses and wow the whole book was written so that you may believe. John 20:31 "these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name." So at night I would pray "I believe Jesus died for me, I believe, I believe. This was just an intellectual belief. I knew that in history and the Bible that Jesus died for everyone, so I believed it. But this belief did not change my life.

I would go on night after night saying the same prayer only to wake up the next day wanting to fulfill my sinful desires. The prayer wasn't working so I started to word it different each time hoping some prayer would work. After about 2 weeks of this I was fed up with it all, nothing was happening. I still was living in my sin and wanted more of it. A Christian hates their sin and does something about it, and certainly they don't continue to make plans to sin. The prayers weren't working so I gave up. I thought to myself "God, I tried with all my might, I searched the Scriptures, went to church, read the Bible and prayed all to no avail. If Im going to be saved your going to have to do it because I tried."

So I quit praying but still the Bible kept calling me so I read more. 3 Days later I was laying in a tanning bed and God convicted me really hard that I had offended Him by the life I was living. I was so scared of God, where could I run. You can't hide from God. It seemed like forever that I was under these terrors of being punished by a Holy Angry God. This lasted about 10 minutes then this is how I understood it. God let me understand that all that anger that He had for me for all my sin should come my way but He had poured that anger out on Jesus 2,000 years ago. I immediately started weeping an couldn't stop for about 20 minutes. All the sins that I could think of I confessed for that 20 minutes one after another after another, I was so sorrowful and grieved it physically hurt inside.

After I stopped crying I thought that was the weirdest thing that ever happened. I walked out of the tanning salon and stood outside and everything seemed so beautiful, the tree's, the birds, even the air seemed pleasant. Now I was really wondering what was going on.

I pondered all of this as I drove to work that day. I brought my Bible to work and was thinking what am I doing, I want to take my Bible to work so I can read it. As soon as I got to work I started reading my Bible. I couldn't believe what I was reading!! It all was so wonderful. It felt so good to just read my Bible. My client showed up and as I was training them the only thing I could think about was getting back to my Bible. I read all night and slept about 2 hours and was reading again.

I had sinful things in my apartment and I rounded everything evil up and threw it in the garbage. It was weird I was thinking but it felt good so I left it all in the garbage. I called my girlfriend to break it up and she thought I had another girl, I said no, I just think this is wrong we shouldn't be sleeping together. She didn't understand so I told her I was a Christian now and she still thought I had another girlfriend. She said "Im glad your a Christian, so am I" I thought to myself, "I have a strong conviction that sleeping together is wrong and she thought it was okay" I wondered how she could think that. Anyway we broke up.

I kept reading my bible and repenting, there was so much to repent of and I had lived a very sinful life. I was a thief for some part of my life and all the people I stole from kept coming to mind. I owed so much money. I was instantly in debt about $80,000. As I could I paid them back. As of 7-18-2016 I still owe about $25,000 but it sure is a joy to be paying them back.

The first week of being saved a car just about ran me over, they hit me but I wasn't hurt at all. The guy in the car felt so bad. I just looked at him and said "God bless you and have a great day, I am okay" smiled at him and moved on. Now I was really wondering what was going on because I normally would have cussed him out left and right and instead of cussing I blessed him. That was so weird. But again it felt good. I learned to do good by what my conscience told me was good and that it felt good. I got hooked on this feeling good by doing good and did it more often.

About two weeks after being saved I thought of Bob. I immediately prayed for him, something like "Lord help him.." then I stopped praying and said out loud "What am I doing?" I'm praying for a man that I hated my whole life, but it feels good and right, so I did it again. I stopped again midway in the prayer and started pacing around. I was trying to make sense of what was going on and couldn't figure it out. But again it made me happy to pray for him so I did. Bob would often come to mind when I went to the bathroom and each time I would pray for Him. The more I did this the less weird it got. And the greater my love grew for him.

I started memorizing large portions of scripture and this was wonderful because it felt like the words were cleaning my mind and as Proverbs 2:10 "For wisdom will enter your heart, and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul." I wanted more and more of this pleasantness. So I memorized even more and the joy got more and more.

Then this life changing advice came:

A friend from church told me to find a book of the Bible and really understand it. Read through the Bible and pick one and read it over and over and study it and really get it. So I started in Genesis and read through. When I got to Proverbs I really liked it so I thought that would be the book. I started by memorizing all of Proverbs chapter 3. After that I thought maybe there is a better book than Proverbs. So I read on. Then I came to Song of Solomon. I read it with quite some confusion. It wasn't as good as the other books, I didn't know why. So I bought a commentary on it. George Burrowes commentary on the Song of Solomon.

In the commentary I found that George and other saw the book as illustrating God's love to the Church. And not only illustrating it but displaying the Love of Christ better than any other book. This caught my attention big time, because I was having a burning desire for a closer relationship with God and desperately learning about His Love so that I could Love God. You see I had hated Him for so long that God used that old hard heart to spur me on in loving Him. I so much did not want to hate God anymore that I was on fire to learn to Love Him as much and as fast as possible. So here was a book that would help me do that. So I landed on the Song of Solomon. I committed to learning as much of this book as possible.

I memorized the first chapter and would repeat it often throughout the day. I didn't know much of what I was repeating but it sure made me happier and on fire for God. I grew so fast repeating the first chapter over and over again all day, like a dozen times a day at least. It felt so good and I never found any other book that caused me to weep so much. I would often weep everyday just reading it. I was to immature to know what was going on. Even though it hurt to weep so much, I felt like my heart was being cleansed from the filth that was in it by repeating it over and over again so I did. As I read the commentary I understood more and more. What God was doing in me through the Song was greater and faster than any other portion of Scripture so I tended to stay there often. I was so excited about God that I thought it funny that other's in church weren't the same way. Some where happy but it seemed most of them didn't seem to care much about God. They would talk about work, football the weather. The only thing I wanted to talk about was Jesus and God and how can I grow closer to Him.

About this time there was a mission trip to Ireland.

I started to have convictions that I should try to find Bob and witness to him. I kept praying for him but how could he be saved if he hadn't heard the Gospel that has power unto salvation. So I asked family if they had any information. Like me before, my family hated him and thought he deserved hell. After some time I got his name but no location or phone number. Either they didn't know where he was or didn't want to tell me. I prayed some more and then started to get stronger convictions to do something about finding Bob.

So I went on the internet and typed in "his name and child molestation sex offender court" thinking that some court record would have some info leading to where I may find him" I even talked to a private eye and he couldn't help. So I googled some key words and spent hours each day looking through each page. I believed it was God's will for me to witness to Bob. I wanted him to be saved. Really bad. So much so that I thought God would save Bob if I were to witness to him. So I didn't stop searching for him. I kept my computer on each day and went page by page. It took two years to go through about 15,000 pages but I found someone who matched his name in a prison for molesting his grandchildren. I wrote the prison and he wrote back. All kinds of emotions went through my body when I saw his letter from the jail. I didn't open it right away but two hours later God gave me enough courage to face my fears again and I opened the letter. He admitted to being the one who molested me. We wrote back and forth I told him I was angry before but now I was saved and that I loved him and believed God wanted me to talk to him. He read my letters over and over again. I shared the gospel in each one.

I got mad at Bob 2x. Once he said that he love me. I got really angry with him. He didn't love me. That night it was hard to love Bob, I had to call a friend to pray for me to repent, after he prayed I felt greater love for Bob. Then I wrote him back saying "I'm sorry but you can't say that you loved me. You did not love me you lusted after me." He admitted he didn't love as he should have and admitted that it was lust and sinful. Finally some conviction. Yet I only thought he was saying that because I was being nice to him. All his family had left him and he said I was the only "friend" he had.

Wether or not it was true Bob said that he had cancer in his arm and that the help the prison gives was not enough and if he had money he could see a different doctor and get help. I sent him some money and since I was in jail before I knew what it was like to be in there without money, so I sent him money.

About 4-5 months in the economy went down, it was 2008. Work was hard. I still sent him money and I had to work harder. This was a really good lesson for me because I had to "work hard for the benefit of someone who did not deserve it." This was one of the greatest blessing ever because I realized with great certainty that Jesus was in me. This is what Jesus did. Jesus worked his whole life for me and I didn't deserve it!! Christ was in me! This was one of the best feelings ever and it put me in worship for months.

Then a mission trip to Croatia.

Each time I had to leave my business and amazing as it is I was completely okay each time. I am a self employed personal trainer and it is normally absurd to just leave and start over, but each time I had enough work within 2 weeks of coming back. This is a flat out miracle. I trusted God to provide and he did. How many people can start up a business in 2 weeks. Only with the help of God. God was teaching me early on in my walk that as long as I did what He wanted me to do then I had nothing to worry about.

About 3 years saved now.

I Taught the 4 year old's at church Sunday morning for 10 years.

Left my business 2x for mission trips and God miraculously provided when I came back.

I taught 5 x a week plus held a job.

Sunday morning to the kids.
Sunday night with the 5th graders
Friday afternoons at Good News Clubs. Sponsored by Child Evangelism Fellowship.
Friday Nights with the Kids teaching through Pilgrims Progress, I did this 2x
Teaching Monday afternoons at a nursing home. I taught through the Song of Songs once then John, then Romans then back to the Song again! I love the Song of Songs.
I grew up hating God for what happened to me, and now I love Him because He first loved me. My passion is for children to grow up loving God and not hating Him.

My other passion which has become ever greater is to help others see the Love of Christ to His Church in the Song of Songs!!

I would love to help you, just let me know and I will lead you and pray for you.

God demonstrates His love to us in sending His one and only Son to suffer in our place, taking our sins upon Himself so that whoever believes they get to heaven because of what He did for us will not perish but have everlasting life.

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